Remembrance Day Photo Collage – Day Ten

This picture has hung in my in-laws hall for at least the last 15 years or so. Just recently I had cause to look a bit closer at it and take some photographs.

What does this signify? This was given to my father in law in recognition of his contribution during Second World War whilst serving in the Royal Navy. He was present on HMS Byron and took part in the Arctic Convoys.

No individual medal was every awarded to these servicemen, and it has only been this year that has been rectified. Medals are firstly, and quite rightly being awarded to those men who took part who are still alive, before moving to being awarded posthumously to their widows and families.

There is a Museum that focus’ on the Russian Arctic Convoys HERE.

I had hoped to undertake a bit of extra research today. Sadly that has not been possible and thus this post is fairly short, but over the coming weeks I shall look at this closer, so please keep reading!

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Sepia Saturday – 202

There was something about the prompt photograph that reminded me of a photograph of my Grandfather’s Uncle.

In this photograph, Walter Butcher is standing in the fields at Wanborough with another labourer tending to the land.

Walter Butcher was born in 1874 in Wonersh Surrey and was the seventh child of a family of eight. My Great Grandfather, Charles Butcher was older having been born in 1869. Both Walter and Charles moved to Wanborough. Firstly Charles having met my Great Grandmother who was from Puttenham moved across the country roads to live in the area of his wife’s family. He was later followed by Walter.

My late Great Aunt recalled Walter and from my notebook of 1989 she said “Walter was a mean spirited and weak man and nothing like Dad. (Charles) He had a tendency to follow and copy Dad, which frustrated and annoyed him”

I had heard this before from my another Aunt, and with that information I formed an opinion of Walter, and perhaps that was unfair; that was until I found this reference in the local paper.

Surrey Advertiser – 16th June 1917

Cruelty to a Horse – Farmer heavily fined.

At the Camberley Police Court on Thursday, John Knight of Cobbetts Hill Farm was summoned for permitting a horse to be cruelly ill treated on 24th May. A lad in the defendants employ said that when harrowing grass seed, the horse fell into a hole, where it laid until the knacker came to take it away the following day. Walter Butcher, carter, father of the last witness, said he killed the horse after it had been seen by a Veterinary Surgeon. The horse had fallen down at work two or three times.

Inspector Jones R.S.P.C.A said he saw the horse lying in the field. It was in a very poor condition, very thin and very old. It had not got one sound tooth. The horse fell on the morning of 24th May, and it was killed on the following evening. It was too weak to get up. Mr Carter, Veterinary Surgeon, Aldershot, said he thought the horse was between 25 and 30 years old. He advised it being destroyed.

Lily Strickland employed at Cobbetts Hill Farm, said the horse had been regularly fed, but would not fatten. The Chairman, (Mr H J B Hollings) said the Bench considered the case an exceeding bad one, and defendant would be fined £5 including costs.

Walter Butcher a witness on the last case was summoned for ill treating a horse on 24th May, and James Knight was summoned for permitting such cruelty. Inspector Jones said Butcher was driving a pair of horses attached to a large roller. One of the horses had a large sore on the off shoulder, and was quite unfit for work. Knight was fined £2 and Butcher 5/-, the Chairman stating that no doubt he felt that if he refused to take the horses out he might lose his place.”

From further research and numerous conversations with now deceased members of my family I am going to build a life profile of Walter. He married and the numerous complexities of that union has really meant that up until now I have not wanted to examine this part of the family further.

Taking part in Sepia Saturday, albeit, rather late in the week!
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Lymposs and Sons

Handcart and milk maid from Lymposs and Son Dairy. This firm operated from two dairies in Guildford, addresses at High Street and Woodbridge Road. Lymposs and Son eventually merged with another diary to create Lymposs and Smee.
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Remembrance Day Photo Collage – Day Nine

This is a photograph of my late father in law. We can not be absolutely sure when he joined the British Navy, but he did, and served until at least 1949. 
We recently have been given his medals and that does reveal his service number, which means we can now call for his Royal Navy service record. 
Over the next few days I shall share a little bit more about him. We do have some other photographs which indicate the names of the vessels he served on with dates, so at least I can build a timeline while I wait for his service record to arrive.
My father in law was the son of a navy man. I did really want to include a picture of Ernest Goucher, but I can not lay my hands to one. 
My husband’s Grandfather join the Royal Navy during the course of the First World War. He survived and in 1929, when my father in law was only 3 years old the family sailed to Canada. Ernest was involved in training some sea cadets in Petawawa, Ontario. The trunk that they took on their journey is in fact in my loft!
I can not be to sure when Ernest and his family; wife and child returned to England but Ernest certainly took part in the early days of the Second World War, which means his service records are at the moment unavailable until we complete the process of requesting for my father in laws. Over the coming week I shall share some details about the process of requesting military service records post First World War.
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Tuesday’s Tip – Commonwealth War Graves

Yesterday, I was reminded of the following video produced by Tessa Keough. I sat and listened again to the video and did a quick search for my one name study name of Orlando. I have done this before, and there are none, not too surprising as it is an Italian name.

However, I watched the video, and Tessa directs researchers to the obvious and perhaps neglected facility of advanced search, marked Filter Results on the left hand side of the page. I contemplated the uses that perhaps I had not thought of.

In the last box under filter research I added the details of the villages for which I am undertaking a one-place study – Puttenham and Wanborough. I then looked at Elstead, a village a few miles away. I shared the photograph of the War memorial on Sunday – you can read that post HERE.

I then wondered if the road which I am undertaking a one place study for would yield any results. A search for Walnut Tree Close, Guildford produced 9 results, all for the First World War.

Whilst that perhaps seems fairly obvious, it is sometimes the simplest and most obvious things that we neglect. I have looked at the Commonwealth War Graves site many times and not once searched in any way, other than by surname.

It is important to remember that if you are using the filter research box and insert a town or village that you do add addition information – such as the County. There are for instance, two Puttenham, two Wanborough’s with North Wanborough being in Wiltshire and two Elstead’s, and whilst there are perhaps differences in the spelling, it is worth looking a little closer at the detail.

So thank you Tessa for reminding me of the advanced search; and it is never too late to learn or be prodded to try something new.

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Remembrance Day Photo Collage – Day Eight

This is a photograph of my Mum’s first Cousin, who I will refer to as FT. Whilst FT is now deceased, he had an unusual surname and has left quite a few descendants.
I do not know where this was taken, but it was taken in the early years of the second world war, say around 1940. I sent off for his war record for one of his descendants last year, and am awaiting a copy of it to arrive. FT was not one to talk about his war experiences, like many of his generation, but the contribution he made was huge and it is very important that it is recognised.
Born in Surrey England to a military man from Dodford, Northamptonshire. FT spent time in the Royal Navy before being demobbed at the end of the War. On the way home, the vessel experienced some engine trouble and pulled into port. Having been told that there was a delay of about six weeks FT pointed to another ship, asked where that was going. Upon hearing and approving of the destination he changed vessels and never looked back.

 

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Remembrance Day Photo Collage – Day Seven

This photograph was taken on a really grey and miserable autumn day about 20 years ago.

It is the War Memorial at Elstead in Surrey, about 2 miles from Puttenham where the majority of my Great Grandmother’s family hailed from.

My Great Great Grandmother was called Caroline Ellis. Born in Puttenham in 1844 the daughter of George and Prudence Budd.

My Grandfather’s cousin always maintained the Elstead got it’s name from the multiple Ellis families in the area, Ellis-Stead. How much of that is true I don’t know, except there were multiple Ellis families and unravelling them is a genealogist nightmare. The same names keep appearing; so I have three George and Sarah Ellis’ giving birth to children, with the same names around the same time. Nightmare to research!

The Ellis’ on this memorial are in fact cousins of Caroline Ellis. I do have photographs of those named, but have elected to share them a little later on a project I have planned for 2014. However, this memorial is in fact incomplete. There was at least one more Ellis that gave his life and he is not named on the memorial.

I became aware of Amos Ellis a few weeks ago when I received an email from someone. I had up until this point not been aware of Amos, because he was not a direct ancestor. I felt so sad that someone can contribute so much and yet simply slip through the cracks.

So today, as I post late on Sunday and we roll across into Armistice Day it seems fitting to mention Amos and be aware that there are instances like this across the Country. Do we not owe it to these men and their descendants to put the matter right?

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Book of Me, Written by You – Prompt 11

Today is week 11 of what is going to be a 15 month project. Each Saturday, at around 12.30am UK time I will release the prompt for that week’s Book of Me, Written by You.

If you are new here, welcome! The details, background flyer and Face Book link to the Book of Me can be found HERE

This week’s prompt is Military

  • Did you join the military
    • Were you encouraged or discouraged?
  • Did a family member?
    • Regular or for a particular incident
  • Did you or your family serve overseas in the line of service either during a war or as a posting?
  • Any thoughts, photographs, memories relevant

This is a nice link in with the Remembrance Day Photo Collage Festival. 

The video is located on the YouTube Channel

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Remembrance Day Photo Collage – Day Six

This post is about my 4th Great Grandfather George Ellis. He has lead me on quite a journey!

George Ellis was baptised on 12 June 1774 at Holy Trinity Church in Guildford Surrey, the son of James Ellis and Elizabeth Bridger.
George is located as an apprentice, which confirms that George at the age of 17 years, was apprenticed to Richard Fludder, a blacksmith of Puttenham for a period of 4 years, to learn the trade for his keep and a wage of 2/- weekly for the first year, 2/6 for second year, 3/- for third year and 3/6 for the remainder, but he was turned away without notice after 3 and a half years. 
We can therefore estimate the time he was apprenticed was from 1791 – 1794 or 1795. We know he joined the military in 1797, and that he was married to an unknown wife pre 1805 because when he marries Sarah Beagel in 1805, he is classed as a widower. 
Marriage to George’s second wife –
Sarah Beagel 1805. St Mary’s Guildford
Marriage to George’s third wife  –
Sarah Virgo in 1824 at Holy Trinity Guildford,
who signed her name as Mary Virgo!

George Ellis left the employ of the 10th Hussars having served 20 years and 48 days and was discharged at Brighton Sussex.

Statement of Service  – 10th Royal Hussars,  March 1797 – May 1817
The National Archives WO97/45/38
Discharged in 1817 after serving 20 years and three months, injuries of
Stricture of Urethra, subject to fits and severe injury of the shoulder
The National Archives WO97/45/38
George is named on the Peninsular Medal Roll as receiving 4 clasps with the following particulars:
S & B = Sahagan & Benevente
V = Vittoria
O = Orthes
T= Toulouse
This looks like where George sustained the injuries that lead to his discharge three years later.
In the early part of 2010 I was searching The National Archives site and came across a reference to George Ellis, late of the 10th Light Dragoons in relation to a pension. When the document arrived I looked and for whatever reason didn’t spot that although this document relates to someone else there is an insert in relation to George. Here is the full document.
Full document from the National Archives
with the insert relating to George Ellis 1819
The National Archives WO121/182/42
Insert relating to George Ellis.
Who still had not received monies from
the war pension in 1819.
The National Archives WO121/182/42
A further search at the National Archives revealed another reference
  1. WO121/182/42 (see film 134) – Records of Royal Hospital Chelsea – Certificates of service and related correspondence – with a mention of 11th Royal Veteran Battalion (see above)
  2. WO97/1184B/320 – Records of Royal Hospital Chelsea  – Miscellaneous – Served 11th Royal Veteran Battalion
An example of the dress worn by those in the 10th Royal Hussars

After George’s discharge he returned to Puttenham, and I have a hunch that there is more unraveling and unearthing of documents to do; I have no proof that I can find anything more about him, other than a hunch, which I plan to explore.

Whatever he did, to fall out of favour with Richard Fludder before he joined the military is a mystery. On his death certificate he is recorded as being a blacksmith and the cause of death is “Exhausted Nature”

Death Certificate for George Ellis 1850.
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Book of Me, Prompt 10 – Unexplained Memories

I have a fairly good historical memory. I mean I can recall some early memories, from my early childhood – aged 2-4 years, but as to what I had for lunch on Monday, or where I read something 15 minutes ago, that is pretty woeful!

I have one unexplained memory that I can remember. I guess I was about 3 years old.

My memory involves one of these vehicles, although the one I recall was orange.

Image from Glamper Van Hire

This vehicle was a Volkswagen Doris and they were manufactured in 1971, so the dates fit quite nicely. I have a feeling the vehicle was something to do with the daughter of my Great Aunt, called Janet. I have asked her son who does not recall any such vehicle, neither does my Mum. I could even recall where it was parked and I am sure that we went somewhere in Doris.
Sadly, no one agrees with me, nor can they remember the event. Nonetheless, the name of Doris sounds wonderful for these vehicles and I quite think it would be nice to own a bright orange one, we could call Doris and trail around the countryside with. For some reason, my husband does not look convinced. 
Oh well!, I would say I can dream, but it would appear that I have already done that!
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